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Jacquie's avatar

Of all the many injuries and fatalities I have encountered spanning decades in emergency medicine I recall the gunshot wounds and the affiliated mechanism of injury most. I assume Barbara Kammerer and other trauma care providers experience the same recall. I certainly believe her.

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BlackSwan's avatar

I trust nurses. They are always the ones that know what’s going on. They actually have the most hands-on experience, rather than the doctors or big shots with suits and titles.

I’ve been into John Lennon since I was 13, and used to think I knew everything about the murder. I was always told he was shot in the back. Little did we all know!

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… On a somewhat (but only slightly) unrelated note, did you know that Jim Morrison of The Doors died exactly one day after his father held a big decommissioning celebration for his ship? His father was a very high ranking naval admiral and I’ve read he actually helped to plan the Vietnam War. George Stephen Morrison, throughout his career, had some controversial views…

Would be an interesting subject to study alongside the Lennon killing.

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Greetings Mr. Whelan. I thoroughly enjoyed your SATB appearance debating (or burying) Robert Rosen, and your research is profoundly disturbing. While watching this clip something occurred to me that I can’t really reconcile. I recently came across some very low res pictures of John’s clothing from that night. I am unsure where they were taken, but it is clearly after the assassination. The clothing looks remarkably intact. Perhaps it’s a trick of the resolution, but you’d imagine the leather jacket, sweater and t-shirt he was wearing would have been absolutely shredded by the medical staff. It’s not. In fact, the sweater and t-shirt don’t show any of that. I’ve seen (admittedly much higher resolution) photos of JFK’s clothing and they all bear the tell tale signs of a trauma victim. Have you seen these photos and do you have a theory explaining the condition? Thank you for uncovering these bizarre inconsistencies and taking so much abuse.

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Syd van Vliet's avatar

I really do hope the unedited footage of these interviews find their way online at some point. It's frustrating they cut away so much, I want to see the body language and what comes through the eyes as they are recounting these stories. From what little we do get here, you'd have to say Barbara seems to be very certain about what she saw - Looking directly at the interviewer, no dithering.

Joseph Many was a bit over the top in the clip we saw of him, though if he consistently gets that emotional when talking about it, maybe it was genuine.

To be fair to Hastings, he didn't come across the way I thought he might (I was expecting him to be abrasive, vague or reticent), there wasn't anything in that brief clip - body language wise - that suggested he was blatantly lying, but that's the raw footage I'd really want to see.

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Phrequency's avatar

And the bullet holes in the vestibule window. What direction did those shots come from?

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Phrequency's avatar

I seriously doubt those bullet holes in the vestibule were from MDC. They were either from the elevator area or from inside the vestibule

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Phrequency's avatar

Yeah, but notice they quietly removed those doors and the windows that held that evidence. To me, this is yet more evidence of a cover-up. Like the FBI showing up at Dealey Plaza and removing a few feet of curb damaged by a bullet. They conveniently lost that evidence as well. Or JFK's car being flown to the Ford factory the night after the assassination to replace the windshield, which had a bullet hole in it from the shot that went into JFK's throat. Woody Harrelson's Dad -one of the three tramps- claims to have shot that hole in the windshield, but that is a story for another time.

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At the time the doors were taken away, a trial was still expected to happen, so maybe they were genuinely taken away to be presented as evidence. In which case it may only have been after MDC was convinced to forgo a trial that this evidence was deemed surplus to requirements and disposed of, along with the paperwork to go with it.

I suppose this comes down to whether or not the full weight of the machine was behind a conspiracy. If yes, then we can say that a trial was never going to happen from the moment they first planned it in August 1980 (or earlier) and it's highly likely evidence was destroyed or disappeared as swiftly as possible.

I'd be more inclined to believe this started out as a moonlighting project as a favour to well connected people and the machine became involved some time after the event and only because MDC was now a problem - in not saying or doing what he was told to, or having not been taken out himself (if that was the plan).

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